Post by timoneill on Jun 26, 2014 20:21:15 GMT
Some will recall that for years now my dear pal, Artie Ziff has been dismissing anyone who has pointed to my critiques of him or of his acolyte Dave Fitzgerald by claiming that I am a "proven liar". Fitzgerald has done the same, as have others who follow Carrier's blog. This has caused some puzzlement, since when he makes this claim he links back to a comment on his own blog which ... doesn't actually substantiate it. Apparently it involves some kind of vile misrepresentation of Ziff and the libellous use of a "(sic)". When the fact that Carrier's links don't back up the claim about this wicked calumny was noted to Fitzgerald, he fell uncharacteristically silent.
Back in March someone noted my blog posts and asked Carrier for his response. He replied dismissively:
That’s Tim O’Neil.
What I said in response to someone mentioning him in this other thread pertains here:
O’Neil is something of a disgruntled hack. He doesn’t really have any relevant competence in this field, and doesn’t make much of an effort to check his armchair claims before making them, and is well known to argue dishonestly. See David Fitzgerald on this point.
In fact, O’Neil is a documented liar (although the thread in which he blatantly lied has been, so far as I know, removed, I have a screenshot of it in my files; it’s referenced in the last paragraph of my comment here). (see the original comment for active links)
I decided it was finally time to flush Carrier into the open on this "liar" nonsense. So I responded:
“That’s Tim O’Neil.”
Says the incompetent who can’t even spell my name correctly.
“See David Fitzgerald on this point. ”
See my detailed response to Fitzgerald’s smoke-and-mirrors HERE. Though that contains some trenchant criticisms of the blogger Carrier, so there is a good chance this comment will never see the light of day here. He’s like “Acharya S” that way.
“In fact, O’Neil is a documented liar”
“Documented” = “I say this but don’t bother to prove it”
” I have a screenshot of it in my files”
Suuuure you do Dicky. You pathetic little clown.
Okay, not polite, but where I come from if he had slandered me like this to my face he'd be picking himself up off the floor.
So he finally came back with a response and - strange to tell - he really DID keep a screenshot of a passing comment I made about him on an IMDB discussion on Agora four years ago (who does things like that?). Here's his response:
Okay. You asked for it:
Here is your lie.
Here is where I explain those lies, in response to this.
You are a liar, Tim. I am quite certain no one can trust a word you say.
That you just lied again, claiming I didn’t have evidence of your lying, kind of proves my point.
Hoo boy. My reply is "awaiting moderation". Here it is just in case it never sees the light of day, but it clearly puts this whole petty nonsense to bed:
"Here is your lie."
You've got to be kidding me. All this sturm und drang over some petty petulance about me "claiming I had grossly misspelled the words he quotes (even indicating this with "sic")"? Hilarious.
Sorry to break it to you pal, but if you had bothered to read up the thread on that discussion, the person who had made the gross misspelling of "almmost verbatum" was the person I was responding to - "Valjean24601". I was quoting them, not you.
"You asked for it:"
Like being flogged with wet lettuce, as usual. Enjoy your unemployment.
PS This exchange will be shared around a couple of fora. So if you don't publish this comment, this will be noted and added to a tally of your shifty behaviour.
Of course he will either (a) not publish that response, thus giving himself the final word on the matter in Richard Carrier Land or (b) just claim I'm lying again. But you really have to wonder about someone who finds a passing mention of himself, takes a screenshot and then files it away for four years. Obsessive much? Narcissist much? Too much time on his hands? Downright weird, that's for sure.
Back in March someone noted my blog posts and asked Carrier for his response. He replied dismissively:
That’s Tim O’Neil.
What I said in response to someone mentioning him in this other thread pertains here:
O’Neil is something of a disgruntled hack. He doesn’t really have any relevant competence in this field, and doesn’t make much of an effort to check his armchair claims before making them, and is well known to argue dishonestly. See David Fitzgerald on this point.
In fact, O’Neil is a documented liar (although the thread in which he blatantly lied has been, so far as I know, removed, I have a screenshot of it in my files; it’s referenced in the last paragraph of my comment here). (see the original comment for active links)
I decided it was finally time to flush Carrier into the open on this "liar" nonsense. So I responded:
“That’s Tim O’Neil.”
Says the incompetent who can’t even spell my name correctly.
“See David Fitzgerald on this point. ”
See my detailed response to Fitzgerald’s smoke-and-mirrors HERE. Though that contains some trenchant criticisms of the blogger Carrier, so there is a good chance this comment will never see the light of day here. He’s like “Acharya S” that way.
“In fact, O’Neil is a documented liar”
“Documented” = “I say this but don’t bother to prove it”
” I have a screenshot of it in my files”
Suuuure you do Dicky. You pathetic little clown.
Okay, not polite, but where I come from if he had slandered me like this to my face he'd be picking himself up off the floor.
So he finally came back with a response and - strange to tell - he really DID keep a screenshot of a passing comment I made about him on an IMDB discussion on Agora four years ago (who does things like that?). Here's his response:
Okay. You asked for it:
Here is your lie.
Here is where I explain those lies, in response to this.
You are a liar, Tim. I am quite certain no one can trust a word you say.
That you just lied again, claiming I didn’t have evidence of your lying, kind of proves my point.
Hoo boy. My reply is "awaiting moderation". Here it is just in case it never sees the light of day, but it clearly puts this whole petty nonsense to bed:
"Here is your lie."
You've got to be kidding me. All this sturm und drang over some petty petulance about me "claiming I had grossly misspelled the words he quotes (even indicating this with "sic")"? Hilarious.
Sorry to break it to you pal, but if you had bothered to read up the thread on that discussion, the person who had made the gross misspelling of "almmost verbatum" was the person I was responding to - "Valjean24601". I was quoting them, not you.
"You asked for it:"
Like being flogged with wet lettuce, as usual. Enjoy your unemployment.
PS This exchange will be shared around a couple of fora. So if you don't publish this comment, this will be noted and added to a tally of your shifty behaviour.
Of course he will either (a) not publish that response, thus giving himself the final word on the matter in Richard Carrier Land or (b) just claim I'm lying again. But you really have to wonder about someone who finds a passing mention of himself, takes a screenshot and then files it away for four years. Obsessive much? Narcissist much? Too much time on his hands? Downright weird, that's for sure.