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Post by unkleE on Nov 5, 2015 11:20:30 GMT
Like this mine of gems, in which the writer tells us he was convinced about Mythicism by a podcast he did featuring Carrier, Price, David Fiztgerald, Frank Zindler and "Acharya S" - a gaggle described therein as all being "scriptural experts with some expertise in ancient history, ancient languages and comparative religion". I was particularly intrigued by this one: Robert Price is at least a genuine scholar, even if a little left field, but this statement made me wonder how that would make any difference, and whether there might be other Josephs who are really the same person.
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Post by timoneill on Nov 5, 2015 19:01:58 GMT
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Post by wraggy on Nov 6, 2015 6:00:54 GMT
I get the impression that this new blog is going to have to be much more active than my last one. Yep, I think that you are going to have your hands full running this new blog. Are you going to have it open to comments? I can see the rabid Gnus coming hard and fast if that is the case.
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Post by timoneill on Nov 6, 2015 6:23:21 GMT
Are you going to have it open to comments? I can see the rabid Gnus coming hard and fast if that is the case. Moderated comments. But I will go easy on weeding out comments just because they are dumb. Only total ranting loons and obvious trolls will be censored, for the sake of general sanity.
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Post by ignorantianescia on Nov 6, 2015 17:19:18 GMT
Like this mine of gems, in which the writer tells us he was convinced about Mythicism by a podcast he did featuring Carrier, Price, David Fiztgerald, Frank Zindler and "Acharya S" - a gaggle described therein as all being "scriptural experts with some expertise in ancient history, ancient languages and comparative religion". I was particularly intrigued by this one: Robert Price is at least a genuine scholar, even if a little left field, but this statement made me wonder how that would make any difference, and whether there might be other Josephs who are really the same person. Only a little? If we suppose he means that Josephus really did the things said of Joseph of Arimathea in the gospels, there are some obvious problems. Josephus was born in the late thirties, so he wouldn't exist at all when Jesus died. Unless the crucifixion happened in the year 36, then he could in theory have carried the crossbeam, but only if he was an embryo on steroids that is. So that goes nowhere. But I'm quite sure that Price didn't mean that. He probably considers Joseph of Arimathea a fictional person based on Josephus. That would require dating the gospel of Mark ridiculously late because Christians must have had the time to notice him. I must admit I don't really know how Price thinks about the dates of the gospels, but I can't see that scenario work in the conventional dating for the gospel of Mark.
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Post by timoneill on Nov 6, 2015 22:53:43 GMT
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Post by wraggy on Nov 7, 2015 0:01:50 GMT
Robert Price is at least a genuine scholar, even if a little left field, but this statement made me wonder how that would make any difference, and whether there might be other Josephs who are really the same person. As I understand it there is no contemporary evidence for Flavius Josephus. Therefore (by much of the Mythicist measures I have encountered) he did not exist. I am open to correction if there is contemporary evidence for Jo. I will be interested in their response if they bother.
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Post by himself on Nov 7, 2015 4:03:10 GMT
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Post by wraggy on Nov 7, 2015 7:39:13 GMT
Thony Christie sticks to what he knows best. The History of Science. I have yet to see him venture into discussions that are out of his field, such as the Historical Jesus, on his blog.
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Post by timoneill on Nov 7, 2015 21:54:06 GMT
Thony and I are old mates and his blog is actually already on my "Worthy Blogs" list. I've also just added Prof. Massimo Pigliucci's blog Rationally Speaking, since he has had some hilarious spats with Coyne, PZ, DenneTt and other Gnus over things like the worth of philosophy and the definition of science. He's another atheist who doesn't buy the Gnu agenda.
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Post by wraggy on Nov 8, 2015 3:23:17 GMT
Are you completely re-writing the Hypatia post? I thought that you would just use links to the existing Hypatia post in Armarium Magnum.
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Post by timoneill on Nov 8, 2015 4:04:55 GMT
Are you completely re-writing the Hypatia post? I thought that you would just use links to the existing Hypatia post in Armarium Magnum. I'm writing a new one, in response to particularly crazed post on Skepchick of the "Hypatia was murdered by Evil Christians because they hated science and thus began the Dark Ages" variety.
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Post by wraggy on Nov 8, 2015 5:00:22 GMT
Are you completely re-writing the Hypatia post? I thought that you would just use links to the existing Hypatia post in Armarium Magnum. I'm writing a new one, in response to particularly crazed post on Skepchick of the "Hypatia was murdered by Evil Christians because they hated science and thus began the Dark Ages" variety. Tim O'Neill said: Geez, I wish that you would get some guts about you and say what you really think.
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Post by ignorantianescia on Nov 8, 2015 7:57:02 GMT
Thony and I are old mates and his blog is actually already on my "Worthy Blogs" list. I've also just added Prof. Massimo Pigliucci's blog Rationally Speaking, since he has had some hilarious spats with Coyne, PZ, DenneTt and other Gnus over things like the worth of philosophy and the definition of science. He's another atheist who doesn't buy the Gnu agenda. Tim, it's a bit off topic, but have you read Pigliucci's criticisms of Carrier? (They all concern ethics, mostly theoretical, some practical. Pigliucci as a virtue ethicist opposes Carrier's universalist science of ethics - and at other times he's simply fed up with Carrier's verbal dreck slinging.)
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Post by timoneill on Nov 8, 2015 8:06:30 GMT
Geez, I wish that you would get some guts about you and say what you really think. I guess I'm just too shy and polite for my own good. Tim, it's a bit off topic, but have you read Pigliucci's criticisms of Carrier? (They all concern ethics, mostly theoretical, some practical. Pigliucci as a virtue ethicist opposes Carrier's universalist science of ethics - and at other times he's simply fed up with Carrier's verbal dreck slinging.) I'll have to check it out. Unfortunately both of Pigliucci's blogs are now defunct.
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