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Post by gnosticbishop on Apr 18, 2016 20:10:37 GMT
There was a plethora of different mystery schools in those days. Unfortunately, Christianity did a lot of killing and burning of scriptures and we only have the Gnostic Gospels from the Nag Hammadi find to go by.
It is enough though to give a reasonable picture of what they believed.
It now falls to people like me who claim having experienced or gained Gnosis to try to explain the belief system.
Your issue here was matter.
Gnostic Christians are esoteric ecumenists and naturalists.
We know that nature creates every organism and all life for the best possible end.
I think that that is an irrefutable statement.
What do you see when you look at nature and us? The best nature could produce, given all the conditions at hand, or do you see us and all of nature as less than what it could possibly be?
Regards DL
So then no Gnostics believed the universe was created by an evil god (the demiurge)? I had been given to believe this was pretty basic Gnostic belief, along with the corruptness of matter. I guess if not I've been badly misinformed.
I don't think we know that nature creates every organism and all life for the best possible end, unless you mean purely in the sense of natural selection.
My objection is to reconciling what we see with an all-good god. I was given to believe Gnostic had a different perspective on this, however, so that probably doesn't apply to them. I do think it's possible for nature and all we see to be better if such a being exists. The fact that we don't is an indication to me that it doesn't.
Two things. Our myths were written/made up to put against the Christian myth when Christians still knew that their myths were also made up and before they became idol worshipers.
Here is a quick link for you followed by a quick summary of the Gnostic Christian way of thinking.
bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.
Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.
Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.
We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.
Regards DL
P.S. Your last is correct because no God would have things as is.
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Post by mcc1789 on Apr 18, 2016 23:56:01 GMT
So then no Gnostics believed the universe was created by an evil god (the demiurge)? I had been given to believe this was pretty basic Gnostic belief, along with the corruptness of matter. I guess if not I've been badly misinformed.
I don't think we know that nature creates every organism and all life for the best possible end, unless you mean purely in the sense of natural selection.
My objection is to reconciling what we see with an all-good god. I was given to believe Gnostic had a different perspective on this, however, so that probably doesn't apply to them. I do think it's possible for nature and all we see to be better if such a being exists. The fact that we don't is an indication to me that it doesn't.
Two things. Our myths were written/made up to put against the Christian myth when Christians still knew that their myths were also made up and before they became idol worshipers.
Here is a quick link for you followed by a quick summary of the Gnostic Christian way of thinking.
bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.
Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.
Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.
We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.
Regards DL
P.S. Your last is correct because no God would have things as is.
Well, obviously there's a lot to learn about here. As for God, I'd agree in regards to one defined as above.
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Post by gnosticbishop on Apr 19, 2016 0:07:00 GMT
Two things. Our myths were written/made up to put against the Christian myth when Christians still knew that their myths were also made up and before they became idol worshipers.
Here is a quick link for you followed by a quick summary of the Gnostic Christian way of thinking.
bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.
Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.
Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.
We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.
Regards DL
P.S. Your last is correct because no God would have things as is.
Well, obviously there's a lot to learn about here. As for God, I'd agree in regards to one defined as above.
Intelligent as well as good looking.
Good for you.
Regards DL
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Post by mcc1789 on Apr 19, 2016 0:09:39 GMT
Uh...thanks?
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