First Darwin, now Copernic

[turoldus]

The ID movement seemed to have entered hibernation and some thought it was finally dead. They were wrong. It's back and now has Copernic in its crosshairs:

www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/08/10/filmmaker-rick-delano-the-principle-tells-the-most-interesting-detective-story-in-history-that-scientists-want-concealed/

[wraggy]

It is on the internet, it must be true.

[Mike D]

What you have is that over the last 10 years, we have sent up sensors to examine what is called the cosmic microwave background. This is the largest structure in the universe. If you point your telescope out, you look as far as you can look, you get past all the galaxies, you get past all the quasars, you finally get back to this cosmic microwave background, which under present cosmology assumptions, it is the first light ever visible in the universe, 13.8 billion years ago.

This should be a completely random residue, of course, of the Big Bang. Instead, what we see is, the darn thing is completely counter-predicted. It’s not random. It picks out a special direction. It’s very planar. And, across the entire universe, it picks out a special direction.

I can feel my mind going all boggly: cosmic microwave background is a structure? you find it by looking past all the galaxies and quasars? we can actually see past the edge of the expanding universe using telescopes? cosmic microwave background is a light? a plane has direction?

What is this man talking about?

Augustine: "It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters..."

[ignorantianescia]

Aug 11, 2016 8:17:54 GMT Mike D said:

What you have is that over the last 10 years, we have sent up sensors to examine what is called the cosmic microwave background. This is the largest structure in the universe. If you point your telescope out, you look as far as you can look, you get past all the galaxies, you get past all the quasars, you finally get back to this cosmic microwave background, which under present cosmology assumptions, it is the first light ever visible in the universe, 13.8 billion years ago.

This should be a completely random residue, of course, of the Big Bang. Instead, what we see is, the darn thing is completely counter-predicted. It’s not random. It picks out a special direction. It’s very planar. And, across the entire universe, it picks out a special direction.

I can feel my mind going all boggly: cosmic microwave background is a structure? you find it by looking past all the galaxies and quasars? we can actually see past the edge of the expanding universe using telescopes? cosmic microwave background is a light? a plane has direction?

What is this man talking about?

To answer your fourth question, the CMB is photonic thermal radiation, so yes, it's light. But the rest of what he said is gibberish (although a vector perpendicular to a plane can have a direction and is sometimes used to indicate a plane's orientation).

[Mike D]

To answer your fourth question, the CMB is photonic thermal radiation, so yes, it's light.

Good point. As one who hasn't done Physics in 35 years, I was thinking of CMB being not detectable as visible light, which is correct insofar as it goes, but doesn't stop it being light.

[labarum]

Aug 10, 2016 18:42:48 GMT turoldus said:

The ID movement seemed to have entered hibernation and some thought it was finally dead. They were wrong. It's back and now has Copernic in its crosshairs:

www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/08/10/filmmaker-rick-delano-the-principle-tells-the-most-interesting-detective-story-in-history-that-scientists-want-concealed/

Well, whatever you might think of the ID movement, this really has nothing to do with it (at least in the "Discovery Institute" sense of the term). This film is the brainchild of extreme traditionalist Catholics such as Robert Sungenis who also specializes in Holocaust denial and various conspiracy theories centering on the Jews. I doubt you will find heliocentrism facing the same kind of opposition as evolution.

The film itself is rather well done for a nutcase conspiracy theorist flick. Many of the participants had no idea what exactly the film was promoting until it was released and have since disavowed it. This includes the narrator Kate Milgrew (from Star Trek: Voyager) who narrated some of the historical elements but had no clue what the film was pushing.

variety.com/2015/film/reviews/film-review-the-principle-1201409088/

[bertierichards]

Let's rely on the facts! Everything you can read online simply cannot be trustworthy, believe! Someone just makes it up! 

[matt]

Congrats. You were the first person to get me to visit Breitbard.

I'm not sure how I feel.

[wraggy]

Nov 17, 2017 7:50:53 GMT matt said:

Congrats. You were the first person to get me to visit Breitbard.

I'm not sure how I feel.

Do you feel dirty?