Post by bennettresearch on Aug 15, 2008 8:29:27 GMT
Aug 15, 2008 3:02:27 GMT @Anonymous said:
Bennett,A quick rejoinder:
>It is interesting that one has to look for it and interpret it in GJohn, whereas it is in your face throughout the synotpic [sic] gospels. I think that this is very telling. If one were to not look on the crucifixion with reverence and didn't consider it as being devined by God, then they wouldn't be concerned with it before the fact.
The original audience of GJohn was almost certainly a community of Jesus-followers. The gospels were written for believers, not for outsiders. They knew the climax of Jesus' life and ministry: his death and resurrection forms the climax of the earliest Christian creed we have, which Paul claims to have "received," probably from the Jerusalem church (1 Cor. 15-1-11; cf. Galatians 1-2 on Paul's early contact with the Jerusalem church). An alert audience would have picked up on the cues in Moses' snake being raised up in the desert and Jesus' "hour."
>Jesus may have knew his life was in danger, but not stating that the crucifixion was His mission on earth.
That would be plausible. On the other hand, all four canonical gospels mention instances where Jesus escapes from murderous crowds. If (as I am convinced) GJohn is independent of the synoptics, their independent depictions of Jesus' allusions toward his death may count as evidence that Jesus saw his end coming. But yes, such forward-looking allusions are simply good literary devices.
Hi Anon,
You should register and get a moniker.
You know a lot about the Gospels and I took note of your earlier statement about the Greek being rather sophisticated in GJohn, which means it is unlikely that John wrote any of it. Whether the author had any contact with John is a good question. I have read similar statements about the authorship.
I consider the synoptic gospels to be propaganda pieces. Perhaps you might find my thread "Debunking the Antichrist Myth" interesting. It is my personal exposition but it might give you some food for thought.
good meeting you
Craig