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Post by eckadimmock on Sept 10, 2012 22:13:46 GMT
We'll see. I'm not talking about Carrier specifically, but the wider 'brand'.
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Post by sankari on Sept 10, 2012 22:43:21 GMT
Tim, while I don't agree with eckadimmock's analysis, there are plenty of atheists out there accusing the Atheism+ crowd of turning atheism into a religion. This is not an uncommon observation. Sure it's inaccurate, but on the internet perception is reality. What we're seeing is basically the growth of a new religion. This is greatly over-stated, IMHO. A commenter on John Loftus' blog is more accurate when he observes that the current debate is more about market share and control of the atheist 'brand.' There's money to be made from atheist conventions these days, but the pie isn't big enough for everyone. It's inevitable that some will push harder for more than their fair share, and product quality suffers as a result. You need look no further than FtB to realise that the most recent wave of New Atheists consists largely of self-absorbed, egoistical bloggers desperate to be taken seriously as intellectuals and witty satirists. Most appear to be just out of university (or still undergraduates). Their blog profiles reek of hubris and immaturity: The general trend of egotism and immaturity is doubtless a factor in FtB's frequent squabbles and personality clashes. You're right on target here. In related news, there seems to be a growing migration from FtB to Patheos. This can only be a good thing. |
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Post by eckadimmock on Sept 11, 2012 21:16:16 GMT
I agree with you and Loftus, Sankari. While atheism in itself may not be a religion, its social movement is developing in a similar trajectory to religious organisations. Most atheists probably have no interest in belonging to a movement or preaching to the mob, but as in religion, empty pitchers tend to make the most noise.
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Post by timoneill on Sept 11, 2012 22:03:25 GMT
While atheism in itself may not be a religion, its social movement is developing in a similar trajectory to religious organisations. It is developing in a similar trajectory to all kinds of ideological groupings of human beings, which of course includes religious ones. To say that this means it is "the development of a new religion" because of this is sloppy language and lazy thinking. And nonsense. |
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Post by eckadimmock on Sept 11, 2012 22:41:34 GMT
It is developing in a similar trajectory to all kinds of ideological groupings of human beings, which of course includes religious ones. My point exactly. To say that this means it is "the development of a new religion" because of this is sloppy language and lazy thinking. And nonsense. And what is a religion if not an ideological grouping based on a metaphysical viewpoint? I did say "religion" not "faith". |
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Post by merkavah12 on Sept 12, 2012 7:22:53 GMT
I think this says it all. Attachments:
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Post by sankari on Sept 12, 2012 9:37:27 GMT
I think this says it all. Superb!  |
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Post by timoneill on Feb 6, 2013 18:29:42 GMT
Your funny thing with this is that it exposes the actual lie of which for these people atheism is actually a "lack connected with belief within something. " You've got different doctrines as soon as you believe, but it's hard to recognize ways to have a new split in the group lacking beliefs. Oh please. In my hometown there was a schism in the local pigeon breeders club, which split into two and then waged a bitter war of words in the letters page of the local newspaper. Humans are good at finding reasons to get snarky with each other - end of story. |
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Post by fortigurn on Feb 6, 2013 23:57:39 GMT
Oh please. In my hometown there was a schism in the local pigeon breeders club, which split into two and then waged a bitter war of words in the letters page of the local newspaper. Humans are good at finding reasons to get snarky with each other - end of story. That is definitely the take home message. |
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