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Post by fortigurn on Aug 30, 2014 6:03:48 GMT
Not as spoken of in scriptures but my apotheosis makes it impossible for me to agree. Your apotheosis. Uh huh. No.
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Post by unkleE on Aug 30, 2014 22:26:10 GMT
Strange that your God would create the atheists nature that cause then not to believe and when they are true to their God given natures, instead or reward, your God gives death.
And you want me to adore such an obvious prick. No thanks. I am not near that immoral. But you go ahead and adore that satanic God.
Regards DL
I can't see any reason why I would want to discuss anything with someone who chooses to be crude and provocative like that. Fare well!
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Post by gnosticbishop on Aug 31, 2014 16:53:27 GMT
Not as spoken of in scriptures
You are still misunderstanding. "Soul" in english translations of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament means something like "living body", and living bodies most certainly exist. We are not well served by translations in this case. If every use of the word psuche in the New Testament were rendered as "soul" then the text would read rather strangely but it would help to show that the word soul in the Bible does not mean what you think it does. Peter. Which is exactly what I said. It is not as spoken of in scriptures.
As a Gnostic Christian, who recognizes the spark of God/soul within me, I see soul as my consciousness that is always connected to the Godhead to which it goes after death. That spark returns to God and carries my new consciousness to the greater cosmic consciousness which is what some call the mind of God.
As a Universalist, this is basically the only way I can perceive what the soul is.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticbishop on Aug 31, 2014 17:22:30 GMT
Strange that your God would create the atheists nature that cause then not to believe and when they are true to their God given natures, instead or reward, your God gives death.
And you want me to adore such an obvious prick. No thanks. I am not near that immoral. But you go ahead and adore that satanic God.
Regards DL
I can't see any reason why I would want to discuss anything with someone who chooses to be crude and provocative like that. Fare well! Indeed. I am crude, provocative and a bully but what you do not like the most is my truthfulness.
Get thee behind me Satan and hater of truth.
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.
For the evils of religion to grow.
How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?
Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.
We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.
It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHa...x=0&playnext=1
They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.
African witches and Jesus www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related
Jesus Camp 1of 3 www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Z...eature=related
For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.
Regards DL
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Post by jamierobertson on Sept 1, 2014 11:55:24 GMT
Indeed. I am crude, provocative and a bully but what you do not like the most is my truthfulness.
Get thee behind me Satan and hater of truth.
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.
For the evils of religion to grow.
How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?
Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.
We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.
It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHa...x=0&playnext=1
They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.
African witches and Jesus www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related
Jesus Camp 1of 3 www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Z...eature=related
For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.
Regards DL Translation
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Post by ignorantianescia on Sept 3, 2014 15:06:55 GMT
GB, I have some questions for you:
- Do you really think that Constantine made the church and that he made the church destroy Gnosticism? Do you have evidence for these things?
- At some points you seem to object mostly to a specific literalism ("forced literalism", "right wing literalism") but later in your post you do not uphold that distinction. To what do you exactly object? Also, are you aware that even the most diehard fundamentalists don't think everything in their holy text has to be taken literally and could dodge your accusation that way? But most important is: what do you have in mind when you write of "literalism", "forced literalism", "right wing literalism" and "the right wing of religions"?
- What is the point of your posting on these fora? What are you trying to achieve here?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Sept 8, 2014 15:43:00 GMT
GB, I have some questions for you: - Do you really think that Constantine made the church and that he made the church destroy Gnosticism? Do you have evidence for these things? - At some points you seem to object mostly to a specific literalism ("forced literalism", "right wing literalism") but later in your post you do not uphold that distinction. To what do you exactly object? Also, are you aware that even the most diehard fundamentalists don't think everything in their holy text has to be taken literally and could dodge your accusation that way? But most important is: what do you have in mind when you write of "literalism", "forced literalism", "right wing literalism" and "the right wing of religions"? - What is the point of your posting on these fora? What are you trying to achieve here? Two things.
Sell Gnostic Christianity and destroy Christianity and Islam as they are immoral religions. Check the history of Christians and what they did just after Constantine bought them. The Dark Ages.
As to looking for 1,700 year old evidence, ---- good luck. The winners wrote the history and they lied.
Literalism when Constantine bought the church would have been defined as the only 4 gospels that were legal were the main four we have today. Literalism today means more of reading whatever the bible says as literally true and historic. Only those who do not seek God and who idol worship will read scriptures and other myths literally. All who believe in a real Jesus are literalists and fools.
Why I fight them as you should is shown in the post just above.
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Regards DL
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Post by ignorantianescia on Sept 11, 2014 11:41:45 GMT
Two things.
Sell Gnostic Christianity and destroy Christianity and Islam as they are immoral religions. Check the history of Christians and what they did just after Constantine bought them. The Dark Ages. Well, sell Gnostic Christianity all you want. But what is your evidence for Christianity and Islam being immoral religions? Would you say they are particularly immoral? Are you aware that terms like "the Dark Ages" aren't used any more by historians? But since you do still use it, do you denote the early Middle Ages or the entire Middle Ages with it? While we're at it, you would do well to read a book like The Beginnings of Western Science by David Lindberg. Or God's Philosophers (UK)/ The Genesis of Science (US) by James Hannam. You might recognise that name from somewhere, too. The cause of the loss of higher learning and of education in Greek was the instability and eventual collapse of the West Roman Empire. What do you suppose Constantine did to cause the 'Dark Ages'? As to looking for 1,700 year old evidence, ---- good luck. The winners wrote the history and they lied. If this scenario is true, how do you know they lied? Literalism when Constantine bought the church would have been defined as the only 4 gospels that were legal were the main four we have today. Literalism today means more of reading whatever the bible says as literally true and historic. Only those who do not seek God and who idol worship will read scriptures and other myths literally. All who believe in a real Jesus are literalists and fools. The four canonical gospels weren't the only legal ones to read; we also have non-canonical gospels from that time. So the churches weren't literalist (in your sense) as a whole at the time, and the number of would-be literalists is inscrutable. Are you a Mythicist or do you mean "a human Jesus" when you write "a real Jesus"? Do you think there was no historical Jesus at all? For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally. Just to make sure I get this right: whenever I read the slightest bit from the Bible literally, I have become a literalist? What do you make of secular Bible scholarship?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Sept 13, 2014 0:25:11 GMT
Yes. Reading something literally makes you a literalist reader of that material.
I think it that you would have to be more specific on what secular bible scholarship you are talking about.
If it is what I think you are talking about, I think it quite sound but with some speculation which I think normal considering the age of the material they study.
Regards DL
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Post by ignorantianescia on Sept 22, 2014 16:47:35 GMT
Secular bible scholarship would be the study of New Testament and Hebrew Bible texts as profane texts, using the usual array of critical methods.
The reason I ask is that they will often use the 'literal' interpretation of a text (opposed to the 'spiritual' reading) when using it as historical evidence. How does this relate to the growth of evil you spoke of?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Sept 23, 2014 19:05:51 GMT
Secular bible scholarship would be the study of New Testament and Hebrew Bible texts as profane texts, using the usual array of critical methods. The reason I ask is that they will often use the 'literal' interpretation of a text (opposed to the 'spiritual' reading) when using it as historical evidence. How does this relate to the growth of evil you spoke of? Exodus 22:18 Parallel: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
What does the literal reading of this verse tell you and what does spiritual reading of it tell you?
Regards DL
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Post by ignorantianescia on Sept 25, 2014 10:46:56 GMT
The literal reading of that verse tells me that at the time of the Covenant Code (pre-monarchic times), (some) people considered it okay to kill a woman who practised harmful magic.
As for the spiritual reading, you shouldn't ask me. I don't deal in them.
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Post by gnosticbishop on Sept 29, 2014 15:54:46 GMT
Yet you alluded to it having one.
Thanks for this.
Christians are often thrown off by such questions. Regards DL
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Post by ignorantianescia on Oct 2, 2014 8:06:52 GMT
Check what you wrote. You rapped about the evils of a 'literal' reading (very loosely defined). That suggests you either have some nice 'non-literal' interpretations in store or think a large part of it is nonsense.
As for 'spiritual' readings, tricks like allegoresis were used by Gnostic Christians as well as by non-Gnostic Christians.
Why should I have given you a 'spiritual' meaning when I wrote nothing to suggest I had?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Oct 2, 2014 14:10:50 GMT
Check what you wrote. You rapped about the evils of a 'literal' reading (very loosely defined). That suggests you either have some nice 'non-literal' interpretations in store or think a large part of it is nonsense. As for 'spiritual' readings, tricks like allegoresis were used by Gnostic Christians as well as by non-Gnostic Christians. Why should I have given you a 'spiritual' meaning when I wrote nothing to suggest I had? This thinking is the Gnostic Christian’s goal. www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.
The bottom line of what Gnostic Christianity is all about is your own self-enlightenment through your third or single eye.
I offer the mythical Christian Jesus above as a good way to achieve enlightenment but any belief or even non-belief that can be internalized will do, so I really do not care what you believe, in a sense.
Are you familiar with what the pineal gland is?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mJdxqeKobw
Regards DL
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