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Post by sandwiches on May 12, 2014 15:30:26 GMT
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Post by ignorantianescia on May 12, 2014 17:12:41 GMT
Sorry to read he has died. His Jesus of Nazareth is masterful and he knew well how to give the Mythicists an earful.
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Post by evangelion on May 12, 2014 17:55:39 GMT
End of an era!  |
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Post by fortigurn on May 15, 2014 8:24:15 GMT
I expect 'Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead' noises from certain quarters.
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Post by wraggy on May 15, 2014 10:03:32 GMT
I expect 'Ding dong, the wicked witch is dead' noises from certain quarters. And probably on both sides of the fundy divide. But yes, sad to hear. I am reading his critique of the "Jesus Myth" at work during my lunch break and I find him easy to read. He also had a sarcastic edge that sort of reminds me of someone. I will get his "Jesus" as he has me interested. Vale Maurice Casey. Edit: In searching for some info on Mr Casey I stumbled on a "critique" of Casey's latest book at Freethought blog. |
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Post by ignorantianescia on May 15, 2014 15:50:34 GMT
Edit: In searching for some info on Mr Casey I stumbled on a "critique" of Casey's latest book at Freethought blog. Is it the one by Richard Carrier? That critique may have been even worse than his notorious attacks on Ehrman. PS. More important than anything Carrier ever wrote is this: ntweblog.blogspot.nl/2014/05/maurice-casey-1942-2014.html |
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Post by unkleE on May 15, 2014 22:18:20 GMT
I find him easy to read. He also had a sarcastic edge that sort of reminds me of someone. Yes, I found that an unfortunate aspect of his writing. He was very black and white about what was true and what wasn't, and so very critical of those who disagreed with him on some topics. A phrase I remember he used often was: "There is everything wrong with this." I think it was unfortunate because I think he would have gained a better hearing if he'd said the same things but softened his language. Despite my above comments, I really, really enjoyed this book, and find myself returning to it. I don't agree with everything he says, especially his apparent assumptions that Jesus would only have said what a good (though radical) Jewish boy would say, and the common assumption that Jesus couldn't have foreseen events and so predictions must have been put in his mouth later (I know methodological naturalism might require this, but while that seems like a good assumption for science, I think it begs too many questions when dealing with Jesus). But along with the disagreements there were so many insights and good thoughts. Is it the one by Richard Carrier? That critique may have been even worse than his notorious attacks on Ehrman. I read the first section of that, but I couldn't find the energy to read the lot of what was an enormously long post. I keep coming across people who use Carrier as their 'authority' on the NT, but I wonder if they actually read him? He is long-winded, full of self importance and quite nasty - I can well understand why, apart from any assessment of his historical competence, why no university would choose to employ him. That is a good farewell. Points out his positive qualities, recognises his less positive qualities but in a nice way. Mark also raises an issue of interest to me - Casey's strong view (supported to varying degrees by other scholars) that John's Gospel has very little historical value (except as a reflection of the views of one section of the christian community 60 years after Jesus' death) and is very anti-Semitic and anachronistic in its use of the phrase "the Jews". I feel he overstates both these things, and maybe I will start a thread sometime to see what others think. |
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Post by wraggy on May 16, 2014 7:32:21 GMT
Edit: In searching for some info on Mr Casey I stumbled on a "critique" of Casey's latest book at Freethought blog. PS. More important than anything Carrier ever wrote is this: ntweblog.blogspot.nl/2014/05/maurice-casey-1942-2014.htmlYes. And with the predicable comments of "Religious apologists" and when someone posted a link to certain Australian's web page then he ( the web page owner) was dismissed as a liar. |
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Post by timoneill on May 16, 2014 8:52:53 GMT
Yes. And with the predicable comments of "Religious apologists" and when someone posted a link to certain Australian's web page then he ( the web page owner) was dismissed as a liar. That certain Australian just got a new job as Senior Head of Recruitment for the University of Sydney. So we can add that to the list of leading universities that won't be giving Carrier a job.  |
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Post by unkleE on May 16, 2014 13:07:46 GMT
That certain Australian just got a new job as Senior Head of Recruitment for the University of Sydney. Congratulations! That sounds like a pretty good job! |
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Post by timoneill on May 16, 2014 22:01:15 GMT
That certain Australian just got a new job as Senior Head of Recruitment for the University of Sydney. Congratulations! That sounds like a pretty good job! Thanks. I start it in five weeks' time, but I think it will be a very good job. |
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Post by wraggy on May 17, 2014 3:14:27 GMT
Yes. And with the predicable comments of "Religious apologists" and when someone posted a link to certain Australian's web page then he ( the web page owner) was dismissed as a liar. That certain Australian just got a new job as Senior Head of Recruitment for the University of Sydney. So we can add that to the list of leading universities that won't be giving Carrier a job. I think that with his slighting everyone who disagrees with him as being lunatics, liars or religious apologists he would struggle to get a job anyway. I only wish that I had a wife to earn my keep. |
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Post by ignorantianescia on May 17, 2014 6:17:54 GMT
Congrats, Tim, and good luck there. Will you operate for the history/humanities department or for the entire uni? That certain Australian just got a new job as Senior Head of Recruitment for the University of Sydney. So we can add that to the list of leading universities that won't be giving Carrier a job. I think that with his slighting everyone who disagrees with him as being lunatics, liars or religious apologists he would struggle to get a job anyway. I only wish that I had a wife to earn my keep. It's almost like the Lewis trilemma, isn't it?  But don't worry about not having Carrier's level of support from a spouse, arrangements like that are fiercely condemned by the chauvinist Ben Sira: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Sir+25%3A+22&version=NRSVCEOn topic, T&T Clark also has a short obituary: tandtclark.typepad.com/ttc/2014/05/in-memoriam-maurice-casey.html |
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