Post by unkleE on Dec 4, 2008 19:59:21 GMT
Humphrey
I was interested in your discussion of this topic, especially about Bartoleme de las Casas, American Indian rights and Aristotle's "natural slavery".
In Australian history there was similar disrespect of the prior occupation by the Aboriginal peoples and their rights. The British settlers/invaders justified their disregard for the indigenous people by proposing the doctrine of terra nullius, the land was empty and the indigenous peoples only savages. A recent TV series gave an historical (and to some degree aboriginal) view of this, and it wasn't comfortable viewing, although there were some whites who treated the indigenous people with respect.
These injustices have only really begun to be redressed in my lifetime - aboriginal peoples were recognised in the constitution and given the vote only in 1967; their prior ownership of land, and rights to land whose prior ownership has not been "extinguished" by white settlement, were recognised in the Mabo case before the High Court in 1992, and the Australian Government finally took the historic step of formally saying "sorry" to the Aboriginal peoples for past injustices just this year.
I had often wondered how the British settlers could have been so indifferent (in the main) and sometimes inhumane to the indigenous peoples, and had presumed they hadn't really thought about it very much. But your discussion shows that the Spanish thought about, and argued over, their parallel situation in some detail.
Do you know of any similar argument in Britain re Australia or other places which the British annexed as part of their Empire?
I was interested in your discussion of this topic, especially about Bartoleme de las Casas, American Indian rights and Aristotle's "natural slavery".
In Australian history there was similar disrespect of the prior occupation by the Aboriginal peoples and their rights. The British settlers/invaders justified their disregard for the indigenous people by proposing the doctrine of terra nullius, the land was empty and the indigenous peoples only savages. A recent TV series gave an historical (and to some degree aboriginal) view of this, and it wasn't comfortable viewing, although there were some whites who treated the indigenous people with respect.
These injustices have only really begun to be redressed in my lifetime - aboriginal peoples were recognised in the constitution and given the vote only in 1967; their prior ownership of land, and rights to land whose prior ownership has not been "extinguished" by white settlement, were recognised in the Mabo case before the High Court in 1992, and the Australian Government finally took the historic step of formally saying "sorry" to the Aboriginal peoples for past injustices just this year.
I had often wondered how the British settlers could have been so indifferent (in the main) and sometimes inhumane to the indigenous peoples, and had presumed they hadn't really thought about it very much. But your discussion shows that the Spanish thought about, and argued over, their parallel situation in some detail.
Do you know of any similar argument in Britain re Australia or other places which the British annexed as part of their Empire?