Latest Pope-lemic

[turoldus]

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/24/pope-speech-gender-gay-sexuality/print

Predictably angered reactions from Giles Fraser and Mark Vernon, and a more nuanced one from Andrew Brown.

[rfmoo]

Well, Benedict certainly cannot say he wasn't warned, can he?


John 15.18ff.

"If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. I said to you, 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. But all this they will do to you on my account, because they do not know Him who sent me."

Best,

Richard

[turoldus]

Now it's Ruth Gledhill's turn to castigate the Pontiff:

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5390203.ece

And Times' readers seem to agree, judging from this poll's results:

timesnews.typepad.com/news/2008/12/the-pope-on-hom.html

Maybe I'm some outdated in my references, but I thought The Times was center-right, even conservative, and now it's barely different ideologically speaking from The Guardian. Or have I missed an episode?

[jamierobertson]

Well, how many of those answering the poll have actually thoughtfully read the transcript of the pope's speech, and how many have failed to see past the tabloidesque headlines?

[turoldus]

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/28/pope-benedict-homosexuality-catholicism-gender