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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 12:49:24 GMT
Sorry folks, Craig is an excellent philosopher. As evidence I point to the fact that he has been published extensively in numerous journals and by academic publishers which require very high standards and peer review. This doesn't mean that he's right: plenty of the great philosophers are dead wrong. But if you think he doesn't really count as a philosopher because he disagrees with you, you're asking people not to take you seriously. Ditto for Plantinga and Swinburne.
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Post by gymnopodie on Jan 11, 2011 14:29:26 GMT
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Post by gymnopodie on Jan 11, 2011 15:25:25 GMT
jim_s wrote:
That's the point I was trying make in another thread. Some philosophers use their philosophy as an enabler; it gives them false confidence that they are right, whether they are or not.
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Post by humphreyclarke on Jan 11, 2011 15:30:23 GMT
I've only lived in New England a short time but my observation is that the one thing America does better than the UK is the brew pub (e.g my local www.gardnerale.com/) I like the craft brewing scene here. Maybe closest to the traditional English village pub would be the colonial taverns that are still going (or have been started up again) like www.grotonstagecoachinn.com/tavern.htm - still quintessentially american though (not a bad thing). Still I do miss the real hole in the wall English pub thats been going for centuries and has bar stools with name plates on them where the long standing regulars have drank themselves to death. Now that's what I call history.
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Post by gymnopodie on Jan 11, 2011 16:30:00 GMT
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Heh. Who could resist the gal in the leopard skin?
We don't have anything like that in Florida. Maybe something in St. Augustine, but wooden buildings don't last long in this climate and with the voracious termites.
Back when I first came of drinking age, I went to some cowboy bars in small rural Florida towns. Even a lot of Americans have no idea the amount of cattle here. The Arcadia rodeo is one of the oldest, going back to over 80 years. Anyway, there would be at least one fist fight on Saturday night. All that's pretty much gone now, though. Some things do change for the better. Heh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 16:38:00 GMT
That's the point I was trying make in another thread. Some philosophers use their philosophy as an enabler; it gives them false confidence that they are right, whether they are or not. How can someone have false confidence and be right at the same time? You're not making sense, old man.
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Post by elephantchang51 on Jan 11, 2011 17:08:11 GMT
Matko,of course somone can have false confidence in the rightness of their position,this is a common expression in English,ironically it is you who is not making sense,young man.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 17:28:24 GMT
Someone has false confidence when he has overrated his capabilities and fails when the problem is too much for him to handle. Why does Craig have false confidence? If Gymnopodie or you have reasons to think Craig's arguments are more weaker than he thinks, and that doing philosophy has made him blind to his mistakes in arguing, then show that this is the case.
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Post by gymnopodie on Jan 11, 2011 17:30:24 GMT
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Depends upon the method one uses to reach a conclusion, I guess. Perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words, but what I wrote makes sense if you don't get too nitpicky about it. Take for example someone who reads tea leaves to reach a conclusion. The conclusion may be right or may be wrong. The tea leaf reader might have complete confidence that he will reach the right conclusion, but an observer might consider that to be false confidence because the observer might believe that reading tea leaves is complete nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 17:34:00 GMT
Depends upon the method one uses to reach a conclusion, I guess. Perhaps that wasn't the best choice of words, but what I wrote makes sense if you don't get too nitpicky about it. Take for example someone who reads tea leaves to reach a conclusion. The conclusion may be right or may be wrong. The tea leaf reader might have complete confidence that he will reach the right conclusion, but an observer might consider that to be false confidence because the observer might believe that reading tea leaves is complete nonsense. So in this case you're saying philosophy is completely impotent to give us reasons for theism? If yes, then why?
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Post by elephantchang51 on Jan 11, 2011 18:01:26 GMT
Matko,I was not giving an opinion about Craig's capabilities,merely making a semantic point in response to what I interpreted as a semantic criticism of Gym's choice of words.
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Post by davedodo007 on Jan 11, 2011 18:46:47 GMT
Love the pub recommendations keep them coming I will definetly be trying the pubs if I'm in the area. I think It's something we can all agree on is a good traditional pub with fine beer. I'm back in Liverpool now and if you're there and near the city centre I highly recommend the Dispensary, Dr Duncans and the Ship & Mitre. Much better than talking about philosophy, come to think of it, this is where philosophy probably started. Where there any taverns in ancient Greece? I bet there where some amazing fights between the philosophers at the time:-)
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Post by humphreyclarke on Jan 11, 2011 19:22:57 GMT
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Post by humphreyclarke on Jan 11, 2011 19:26:58 GMT
We don't have anything like that in Florida. Maybe something in St. Augustine, but wooden buildings don't last long in this climate and with the voracious termites. Oh well - you do have Sloppy Joes down in Key West www.sloppyjoes.com/history.htmMy Wife's aunt has a condo down in the Keys so I plan to stop by here some time.
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Post by merkavah12 on Jan 11, 2011 21:15:33 GMT
[ My Wife's aunt has a condo down in the Keys so I plan to stop by here some time. Hey, give me the word when and if you come down to the Conch Republic. My brother and I would be honored to raise the roof with ya! ;D
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