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Post by timoneill on May 6, 2012 8:37:50 GMT
Since I'm getting weary of all the Jesus Myth shenanigans of late, I took advantage of a question on Quora to smite some myths about the Galileo Affair. The question was "What is the most misunderstood historical event?" and I set out some of the misconceptions about the Affair in what I hope is an accurate and fair-handed account. The reaction has been very good, with 58 "upvotes", making it by far the highest ranking answer to the question. My answer has also been posted on the " Quora's Greatest Hits" page, which is rather nice. There has been some minor snarkiness in the comments section on my answer (Bruno was invoked, of course) but the feedback has been positive on the whole. One commenter asked for recommended reading, and I suggested Numbers' Galileo Goes to Jail and James' book. But I was wondering what single account of the Affair or biography of Galileo people would recommend. I'm looking for one that is scholarly and detailed and accurate and objective - neither inclined to the Draper-White or to the Catholic apologist ends of the spectrum. Suggestions?
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Post by fortigurn on May 6, 2012 10:15:52 GMT
A very even handed article, presented in an accessible form.
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Post by hawkinthesnow on May 6, 2012 20:15:38 GMT
I enjoyed your article as well Tim. I too would like to know if there are any good books out there on the Galileo affair.
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Post by himself on May 7, 2012 23:56:24 GMT
De Santillana, Giorgio. The Crime of Galileo. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955. Rowland, Wade. Galileo's Mistake. New York: Arcade Publishing, 2003. Shea, William R. & Mariano Artigas. Galileo in Rome. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003. Also of interest, though not relative to the Affair per se: Christie, Thony. But it doesn’t move! June 22, 2011. thonyc.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/but-it-doesn%E2%80%99t-move/ (accessed April 4, 2012). —. Extracting the Stopper. June 2, 2010. thonyc.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/extracting-the-stopper/ (accessed April 4, 2012). —. Galileo’s great bluff. Nov. 12, 2010. thonyc.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/galileo%E2%80%99s-great-bluff-and-part-of-the-reason-why-kuhn-is-wrong/ (accessed April 4, 2012).
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Post by labarum on May 8, 2012 2:40:36 GMT
I remember being taught the "conventional wisdom" as a fact at various points in twelve years of public schooling and only discovering there was another side to the story from reading Koestler's The Sleepwalkers which pictured Galileo as a brilliant though tempermental diva who often alienated those who were sympathetic to his teachings.
Particularly revealing were his attacks upon a young Jesuit astronomer who had made some discoveries concerning comets that countered Galileo's insistence upon circular orbits. Galileo was as vicious as he was wrong, the Jesuits closed rank and went from being Galileo's supporters to being his foes, and the rest is history. When Galileo placed the words of the pope who had supported him in the mouth of a character named Simplicio who was then subjected to ridicule (remember this was the same pope who had encouraged Galileo to write the book), the result was inevitable.
I have read other works on the subject since then and it has only confirmed the point that Galileo, regardless of his brilliance, had an oversized ego. I think it could be argued that his own arrogance prevented him from going further to something akin to the triumph that would be Newton's. He had already arrived at many of the results of mechanics but his clinging to circular orbits prevented earthly and celestial mechanics from being reconciled. If he had accepted the possibility of eliptical orbits, the gulf separating the two realms would have begun to evaporate sooner than they did.
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Post by wraggy on Jun 11, 2012 7:02:51 GMT
On the Galileo Affair, I note that Ken from Open parachute and secularnewsdaily.com is back posting on ThonyC's blog. Ken, as usual when confronted with a question on the history of science, a subject of which you obviously know very little and understand even less, your answer consists of a lot of hand waving and a minimal amount of dubious or inaccurate facts.
Which aspects of the geocentric model are ad hoc? Instead of parroting Alan Chalmers, who is by the way a fairly poor historian of science to put it charitably, make specific statements. Give factual descriptions to back up your claim.......... Thony's response @ June 10, 2012 at 6:01 pm is an interesting read and Tim you may be interested in this post as it deals with ken's "evidence" for the superiority of Copernicus over Ptolemaeus. thonyc.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/an-interesting-question/#comment-3144see Ken's article @ www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/06/galileos-revolutionary-contribution/openparachute.wordpress.com/
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Post by wraggy on Jun 14, 2012 8:26:41 GMT
And interesting, and maybe a little heated, discussion is taking place between Ken and Baerista at the moment on Thonyc's blog.
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Post by neodawson on Jun 14, 2012 18:39:54 GMT
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