labarum
Master of the Arts
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Post by labarum on Nov 11, 2013 0:06:20 GMT
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Post by evangelion on Nov 11, 2013 2:06:29 GMT
Non-Christians who have found the secular lifestyle so unsatisfying that it has become necessary for them to borrow the most attractive features of Christianity. Interesting. I think it's significant that in a post-Christian, multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith society, these people specifically chose Christianity as their model. They could have used any other faith, or even just a vague sense of spirituality. But they chose Christianity. This suggests unbelievers are attracted to certain aspects of Christianity, correctly recognising that an atheist or agnostic life lacks the spiritual fulfilment that only our religion can provide. As Christians, our job is to demonstrate the merits—indeed, the necessity—of the full ideological package. |
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Post by wraggy on Nov 11, 2013 4:37:47 GMT
Non-Christians who have found the secular lifestyle so unsatisfying that it has become necessary for them to borrow the most attractive features of Christianity. Interesting. I think it's significant that in a post-Christian, multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith society, these people specifically chose Christianity as their model. They could have used any other faith, or even just a vague sense of spirituality. But they chose Christianity.
This suggests unbelievers are attracted to certain aspects of Christianity, correctly recognising that an atheist or agnostic life lacks the spiritual fulfilment that only our religion can provide. I think that you may be looking for a bit of a blue there mate. |
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Post by evangelion on Nov 11, 2013 5:12:55 GMT
I think that you may be looking for a bit of a blue there mate. I think it's a reasonable observation. Look at what they're saying: If atheism and agnosticism already offer everything he needs, why is he nicking stuff from Christianity in the first place? |
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Post by wraggy on Nov 11, 2013 6:01:36 GMT
I was thinking that this was what could possibly cause some to take offence.
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Post by sandwiches on Nov 11, 2013 18:31:40 GMT
Perhaps this will be popular with "secular moms"?: www.meetup.com/Birmingham-Secular-Moms/Other than being nonreligious, there are no requirements!Apart possibly from being a "mom" rather than a dad and having "kids" and not being religious? It's only those religious types who exclude people? Odd. I attend Church most weeks (for 20 years or so) and no-one has ever personally interrogated me on my theological outlook. I suspect "secular moms" might be more strict? |
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Post by gakuseidon on Nov 11, 2013 23:41:04 GMT
Well, is theism a religion? I'd say "no", in the same way that atheism is not a religion. Simply adopting a worldview doesn't make something a religion. It's the adding on of dogmas and rituals, etc. So atheism is not a religion, but New Atheism might be. Atheism Plus might be as well. I think one of the main defining features is: "If you can have a heretic, then you have a religion." If you look at New Atheism, the heretics are called "accommodationists" (people who believe that religion can coexist with science). For Atheism Plus, the heretics seem to be everyone outside of Atheism Plus. I'm a theist but I like the idea of atheists meeting together regularly. It helps to build bonds within a community. It was probably the best thing about churches up until recently, in that they were local institutions that supported their communities. A lot of that has now gone, especially in country areas around Victoria here in Australia. It's a shame. If atheists can fill the gap, more power to them. |
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Post by evangelion on Nov 12, 2013 2:21:42 GMT
I was thinking that this was what could possibly cause some to take offence. Yes, it probably will. |
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Post by himself on Nov 25, 2013 1:55:38 GMT
"It helps to build bonds within a community"
As in "religare" to re-bind?
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