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Post by jamierobertson on Nov 15, 2014 21:52:52 GMT
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Post by ignorantianescia on Nov 16, 2014 14:32:49 GMT
Okay, so he's not only autocratic, he's also loony.
MacCulloch tells in A History of Christianity (paperback, pages 698 and 699) that Cortés did call the native temples in Mexico "mosques", for what it's worth. But we can be sure that Cortés wasn't being descriptive when he called them that! I bet the intended meaning was like "idolatrous shrine".
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Post by sandwiches on Nov 16, 2014 15:24:41 GMT
Interesting one. Leif Erikson still got there first and I doubt Lief was Muslim (nor Christian) Re ignorantianescia But we can be sure that Cortés wasn't being descriptive when he called them that! I bet the intended meaning was like "idolatrous shrine". Indeed. An interesting account here of a Spanish "raid" in Cornwall in 1595: west-penwith.org.uk/raid.htm This is an account and discussion about the Spanish attack on Mousehole, Newlyn and Penzance in 1595It is often thought that the chapel of St. Mary in Penzance was destroyed in this attack but in the book by Peter Mound, “Pensans, The Holy Headland—1000 years of Faith and Fortune, St Mary’s Penzance,” this idea is refuted by the official report sent to the King of Spain by the commander of the Spanish raid that states:— In this town we burned more than four hundred houses, some outlying hamlets and three ships which were laden with wine and other goods. The mosque where they gather for their conventicles was not burned because Captain Richard Burley, an English gentleman entertained in your Majesty’s Royal Navy, said that this mosque had first been English and that Mass had been celebrated in it previously. Friar Domingo Martinez, principal chaplain of the galleys, wrote two verses in English in which he declared the reason for not burning it and his trust in God that Mass would be celebrated in it again within two years. This done our men withdrew to another town called Newlyn, burning it and all the outlying houses.
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Post by jamierobertson on Nov 17, 2014 11:43:42 GMT
Am I right in saying that, at this time, Muslim influence in Iberia was such that Spaniards would be familiar with mosques and use the term generically to describe a non-Catholic place of worship? (In the case above, an anglican church I suppose)
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Post by ignorantianescia on Nov 17, 2014 18:30:31 GMT
Am I right in saying that, at this time, Muslim influence in Iberia was such that Spaniards would be familiar with mosques and use the term generically to describe a non-Catholic place of worship? (In the case above, an anglican church I suppose) Yes, you are 100% correct in saying that.
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Post by ignorantianescia on Dec 6, 2014 19:31:39 GMT
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Post by sandwiches on Dec 7, 2014 22:58:38 GMT
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Post by sandwiches on Jul 28, 2015 20:56:23 GMT
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Post by MedievalGirl on Oct 10, 2015 15:27:19 GMT
This would be the same President who also proclaimed that Muslims were the first to assert that the Earth was round in the ninth century? Well they may have done so, but an Anglo-Saxon monk trumped them by a century. The Venerable Bede wrote that earth is 'round like a ball and not like a shield' in his book 'On the Reckoning of Time' written in the early eighth century.....
Enough said.
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Post by ignorantianescia on Oct 11, 2015 15:38:28 GMT
First of all, welcome, MedievalGirl. Judging from your username and your title, you'll probably like this subforum.
That's quite some fruitcake zoning from Erdogan. I wonder if this genre of pseudohistory is big in Turkey (as in bigger than Mythicism here) or whether it's the rehashing of some dead cook's writings (like Allegro's Mushroom Mythicism). Wherever it came from, it is apparently still widely taught in a certain school type according to the first article sandwiches posted:
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