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Post by gnosticbishop on May 16, 2016 13:05:41 GMT
Do you really want and would you accept a supernatural God?
Man has sought God forever and we Gnostic Christians are dedicated to perpetually seeking God. God as defined as the best rules and laws to live life by. When we find God, we set it aside, raise the bar of excellence and seek anew. That is how we evolve our thinking and laws. Secularism does this without calling what they are doing as seeking God and that is why secular law is superior to the laws on any theology that we know.
If a supernatural God ever popped up, he would either come to lead or follow. A supernatural God would be either our master or our slave and serve us.
If a supernatural God would come to be our master, that would make us slaves to him and God would be what most would call a tyrant. Things would be his way or death to the opposition.
If a supernatural God came to serve, he would effectively end human evolution as he would take all our hard tasks away from us, at our request of course. That God would effectively kill all of our reasons to live and create the most boring world you can imagine.
I think that Gnostic Christians would reject any supernatural God for the reason given above and if straddled with such a God, we would seek to kill him.
Would you kill a supernatural God or would you accept to be a slave to God or have a God be your slave and effectively end your mental evolution?
Regards
DL
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Post by mcc1789 on Jun 3, 2016 4:06:56 GMT
What would a natural God be? How is secularism seeking God?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Jun 5, 2016 19:17:43 GMT
What would a natural God be? How is secularism seeking God? Theology and philosophy, loosely said, both seek the best rules and laws to live life by.
It just happens that philosophy has been able to evolve while religions are stuck in older and more barbaric centuries.
That evolution in laws has been championed by secular forces in spite of the religions that have tried to return us to less moral law.
A secular God, you can argue with and convince of a better way. Religious Gods will not argue and hide behind the supernatural and fantasy worlds.
Regards DL
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Post by mcc1789 on Jun 5, 2016 19:30:53 GMT
What exactly would be the point of a god without a religion?
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Post by gnosticbishop on Jun 13, 2016 16:58:38 GMT
What exactly would be the point of a god without a religion? What exactly is the point of a religion without a God?
That would be a religion of men who recognize that anything saisd about any God was said by a man.
That religion would see truth while the others would only have lies from some man lying about knowing anything about a supernatural God.
If you forget the beginnings, you will not understand how we got to now.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BHvN6rZZA
bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
Regards DL
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Post by unkleE on Jun 13, 2016 22:26:51 GMT
Hi DL, I suggest you are expressing opinions as if they were facts. I believe Jesus said enough for us to draw the conclusion that he was (and is) divine. I think I can defend that conclusion, though of course others would disagree with me. So I believe God HAS spoken to us and we are not left with lies and untruth as you think, but with wonderful life-giving truth.
If you want to tell me I'm mistaken, that's fine, but you'll need to offer reasons why I shouldn't believe what I do about Jesus, not just make statements without evidence. (But please, not videos, just a few sentences outlining your reasons.)
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Post by gnosticbishop on Jun 17, 2016 19:11:26 GMT
Hi DL, I suggest you are expressing opinions as if they were facts. I believe Jesus said enough for us to draw the conclusion that he was (and is) divine. I think I can defend that conclusion, though of course others would disagree with me. So I believe God HAS spoken to us and we are not left with lies and untruth as you think, but with wonderful life-giving truth. If you want to tell me I'm mistaken, that's fine, but you'll need to offer reasons why I shouldn't believe what I do about Jesus, not just make statements without evidence. (But please, not videos, just a few sentences outlining your reasons.) Divinity should be judged to have the best morals, rules and laws. Right?
Jesus would thus have to be judged by the moral tenets he preached.
I find many of those to be unworkable rhetoric, plagiarized tenets from older religions, and some, like his no divorce law to be quite anti-love and immoral.
This link is for lurkers. www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfGRN4HVrQ
Care to debate on the moral aspect of Jesus' divorce policy?
Regards DL
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Post by unkleE on Jun 19, 2016 23:03:18 GMT
]Divinity should be judged to have the best morals, rules and laws. Right? Look, I'll be frank with you, and hope you don't interpret me wrongly. I find it difficult to understand what you are trying to discuss. It seems like you just throw out a lot of rather random statements, and change the subject if you are pressed to justify any of them. For example, I said this: "If you want to tell me I'm mistaken, that's fine, but you'll need to offer reasons why I shouldn't believe what I do about Jesus, not just make statements without evidence." But you didn't respond with evidence, just changed the subject. I want to be friendly to everyone and treat everyone with respect, so I have tried to respond in an open way to you. But for that to work you have to come halfway. If you don't understand what I mean, let's just close down our discussion. If you do understand, can you please give me some indication that you do. Thanks. I'd be quite happy to discuss (I think debate is more than I'm interested in), but see my above comment first. |
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Post by mcc1789 on Jun 19, 2016 23:09:56 GMT
I have to agree. So far, I find it hard to understand what your actual views are, or what you feel Gnosticism is.
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Post by gnosticbishop on Jun 23, 2016 18:29:57 GMT
unkleE
If you would honestly answer what I ask, all would be clear.
Regards DL
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Post by gnosticbishop on Jun 23, 2016 18:34:54 GMT
I have to agree. So far, I find it hard to understand what your actual views are, or what you feel Gnosticism is.
Try this.
I am a Gnostic Christian, Our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.
www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html
Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.
Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.
Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.
We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.
Regards
DL
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