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Post by dieonne on Dec 14, 2008 6:58:58 GMT
Just ran upon a discussion of an elders regarding the crusifixion of Dyonsis. Although historicaly correct, unethically wrong... may you all b blessed....
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Post by jamierobertson on Dec 14, 2008 20:53:27 GMT
With respect, you're not really giving the posters here a lot to go on. Can you be more specific about what in the discussion upset you?
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Post by rtaylor on Oct 6, 2010 11:43:50 GMT
Perhaps it may be upetting when you discover the similarities between Pagan and Christian Theologies. Dyonisus was a god of wine and vegetation. Reference to Jesus changing water into wine and also coming back to life in springtime. Also, the cruxifiction of Dionysus, another similarity. Dionyisus, being a 'son of God', being a son of the Almighty God Zeus. Dionyisus's mother was also worshipped, along side him and his heavenly Father, thus forming a Holy Trinity, up there, in Paradise. The similarities are many. Christianity is simple another version of the same religeon.
Exept that the Christians adopted the God of the Jews as their Father figure.
That did of course, upset a lot of people throughout history. I mean, adopting the fearsome , angry God of the Jews. The human race still suffers today under the delusion that the God of Love and Truth hates those people who do not believe in him.
That I do find upsetting.
Dionyisus, His father The Almighty Zeus, and his Mother, Semele, where all worshipped in pre- Christian times at least 500 BC.
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Post by himself on Oct 6, 2010 18:25:25 GMT
Also, the cruxifiction of Dionysus, another similarity. Astonishing! The primeval Greeks came up with a Roman civil punishment for one of their ancient myths. Perhaps a time-traveling Roman told them about crucifixion? Dionyisus, His father The Almighty Zeus, and his Mother, Semele, where all worshipped in pre- Christian times at least 500 BC. Well, heck, as long as you stop counting at three, you can make a trinity of anything. And gosh, it's just like the Christians. Well, except that one of them is the mother, not the spirit. And the father is not the creator of the world. And except that this "trinity" was not worshiped as such by the Greeks. And except that Athena, Poseidon, Artemis, Hades, Phoebus Apollo, Demeter, Selene, and numerous others were in the pantheon, and considerably more important. |
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Post by rtaylor on Oct 8, 2010 13:01:29 GMT
Dionyisus was crucified by his own father. Almighty God.
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Post by ignorantianescia on Oct 8, 2010 15:40:46 GMT
If you have any authentic stories of Dionysos being crucified by his own father or any authentic stories of Dionysos being crucified at all, I would publish those if I were you, because it would make you very famous and scholars would be thankful to you for it. So far, all they have is an artist interpretation of an amulet that is dated to no earlier than the second century AD and which could very well be a hoax.
His father was also not called God, but Zeus and as Himself already told you, he fulfilled quite a different function, being the son of Cronos who was in turn the son or Ouranos. Calling him almighty, in other words omnipotent, is a stretch, too. He is not regarded as being the master of all powers that the Olympian deities have, instead he has his own share.
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Post by rtaylor on Oct 8, 2010 20:53:45 GMT
Zeus was king of all the Gods. He brought order to chaos. He delegated control to other gods. Nothing happened without him knowing about it. He was God Almighty Zeus.
To the Greeks he was the equivilant of the Jewish God, Yahoo.
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Post by himself on Oct 9, 2010 0:01:18 GMT
Zeus was king of all the Gods. He brought order to chaos. .... He was God Almighty Zeus. No, Zeus was not yet born when order was brought from chaos. See www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hesiod/theogony.htm ll. 116 et seq. Out of Chaos arose Gaia (Earth), Tartarus (Depths), and Eros (Desire). Then, too, Erebus (Shadow) and Nyx (Night). Of night were born (Day) and Aether (Atmosphere). Then Gaea gave birth to Ouranos (Heaven) and Ourea (the Mountains), and Pontus (the Sea). Gaia then mated with her son Ouranos and gave birth to the 12 Titans, the Cyclopes, and the most terrible of all, the three Hecatonchires. Then followed a whole slew of gods, ending with Kronos (Time). Ouranus imprisoned the Hecatonchires and the Cyclopes in Tartarus. But Gaia found it painful to have her children again in her body. She asked all of her children for help, but only the youngest, Kronos, agreed. Gaia created a sickle of adamantine, and Kronos hid under their bed with it. When "Heaven came, bringing on night and longing for love, and he lay about Earth spreading himself full upon her," Kronos cut off his genitals with one swipe. The blood that fell to Earth/Gaia became the Erinyes (the Furies), the Giants, and the Meliae. The blood that fell into the sea produced Aphrodite from the foam. And so on. Kronos lay with his sister Rhea and begat "Hestia, Demeter, and gold-shod Hera and strong Hades, pitiless in heart, who dwells under the earth, and the loud-crashing Earth-Shaker [Poseidon], and wise Zeus, father of gods and men, by whose thunder the wide earth is shaken." Kronos swallowed each as it was born until Rhea substituted a stone for Zeus, who was then raised in secret by Gaia. When he was old enough, the cut open his father's belly and released his brothers and sisters in reverse order. So Zeus was a Johnny-come-lately who had nothing to do with bringing order out of chaos. The order of the world: earth and heaven, night, desire, shadows, sea and ocean, etc. all preceded him. Hesiod makes no mention of Dionysus, save: And Semele, daughter of Cadmus was joined with him in love and bare him a splendid son, joyous Dionysus, -- a mortal woman an immortal son. And now they both are gods. |
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Post by rtaylor on Oct 9, 2010 10:05:14 GMT
Zeus brought order to chaos after the war of the Titans. He made the earth habitable for mankind. He was not the first god in the pantheon but he was the most powerful force in the universe. To the ancient Greeks. Which makes Zeus the ancient Greek All Powerful imaginary friend. Similar to the imaginary All Powerful tribal god of the of the ancient Isralites.
Non-existant.
But not everyone in those times believed in these gods. Only the superstitious, just as it is today. Some people felt it was necessary to worship forces of nature. They did not realise that that was really all that they where, but they felt, somehow compelled to worship.
The Pagan philosphers pretended that their theology and the genealogy of their gods, did, originally, in an allegorical sense, mean the several parts of nature and the universe. Cicicero gives a large account of this, and tells us, that even the impious fables relating to the deities include in them a good physical meaning. Thus, when Saturn was said to have devoured his children, it was to be understood of 'Time', which devours all things.
" We know," says this great heathen, "that the shapes of all the gods, their age,habits, and ornaments, nay, their very genealogy, marriages and everything relating to them, hath been delivered in the exact resemblance to human weakness. It is an act of folly to believe such absurd and extravagant things".
Just as it is today. Things that people do not understand they seem to have an awe of.
That only applies to some people. There are others who do not feel the need to worship.
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