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Post by sandwiches on Feb 21, 2011 20:59:47 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1224427920 February 2011
Vatican's space mission
By Duncan Kennedy BBC News, Rome
"If the Big Bang was the start of everything, what came before it?"
That is one of the questions being posed by a new website being set up by the Vatican and Italy's scientific community.
After centuries of mistrust between religion and science, the intention is to give the public a greater understanding of both sides.
The website, which will be available in Italian and English, has information on everything from astronomy to theology, from space missions to philosophy and art.
In 1993, the Vatican's Advanced Technology Telescope was completed on Mt Graham in Arizona, and is regarded by many as the best astronomical site in the continental US.
But there was a time when the Church was hostile to those who challenged orthodox teachings.
In the centre of Rome you can still see the statue of Giordano Bruno.
He was a Dominican friar who was burned at the stake in 1600 for suggesting the universe was infinite. Is that why he was burned? Wiki says: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno#Late_Vatican_positionAccording to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, "in 1600 there was no official Catholic position on the Copernican system, and it was certainly not a heresy. When [...] Bruno [...] was burned at the stake as a heretic, it had nothing to do with his writings in support of Copernican cosmology."Similarly, the Catholic Encyclopedia (1908) asserts that "Bruno was not condemned for his defence of the Copernican system of astronomy, nor for his doctrine of the plurality of inhabited worlds, but for his theological errors, among which were the following: that Christ was not God but merely an unusually skilful magician, that the Holy Ghost is the soul of the world, that the Devil will be saved, etc
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Post by davedodo007 on Feb 25, 2011 19:23:11 GMT
Well to paraphrase Ms Keeler 'they would say that wouldn't they,' it's just Catholic propaganda. How about an outright apology for their monstrous behaviour. He was only imprisoned, tortured and murdered in the most horrible way imaginable because he was a heretic (so that's OK then.) The fact that god was considered all encompassing hence Catholic means that any thoughts, writing and actions can be shown to be heretical and science (natural philosophy) was thought to be just a subset of the religion. No dissent was tolerated this is the very antithesis of science. Trust me the religious door never opens from the inside. The rise of scientific influence means it had to adapt to modernity while trying to keep its power, wealth and influence. Though the trouble with that is that when it had and in many places still does, its behaviour is abhorrent, Catholicism shows and has shown that where it holds political power, people suffer ( I hope I'm not asked to prove this as I will assume you have been living in a cave your whole life, Also this thread will become very unpleasant reading.) I don't see Jesus anywhere in the Catholic church. Just for your information I have never been a protestant nor am I a protestant atheist. I just recognize bad and corrupting behaviour when I see it.
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Post by krkey1 on Feb 25, 2011 20:14:53 GMT
When atheists apologize for all their tortures and massacres which were far far worst then anyone else has inflicted on humanity, sound fair Dave?
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Post by noons on Feb 25, 2011 20:19:49 GMT
Careful, Krkey1. Christianity and atheism are both ideas, meaning that the sins of one or more believers, or of an institution dedicated to such an idea, are not the sins of all others who share that idea.
A more fair comparision would be when the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, or the Chinese Communist Party apologizes for all of their atrocities. I'm not going to hold my breath for either of them.
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Post by krkey1 on Feb 25, 2011 21:14:28 GMT
I know that noons but if Dave wants to play this silly argument I will easily trump him a million times over. For every one cruel act of a Christian I get produce many times more from atheists.
Seriously an atheist lecturing on human value and dignity is like KFC discussing the value of a vegetarian lifestyle.
Now if Dave would like to make an argument about this post he is free to but he really needs to stop acting like atheists can lecture anyone on morality.
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Post by davedodo007 on Feb 25, 2011 22:34:23 GMT
krkey1.
I apologize for committing all the crimes of the communist regimes, I don't know what I was thinking at the time I must have been drunk. The fact that I'm a evil capitalist must have also had something to do with it again I can't remember must have been drunk or not born then I can't remember. So again my sincere apologies for wiping out all my political opponents in the name of atheism and will endeavour to lay off the 'Old speckled hen' beverage in future.
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Post by krkey1 on Feb 25, 2011 22:52:16 GMT
And I of course apologize for every crime ever done by Christians. Happy now, blank slate, can we argue facts now and stop arguing guilt in what is at best a case of frozen stiff case files.
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Post by krkey1 on Feb 25, 2011 22:57:27 GMT
My only concern with this article is the false history, I see no need to moralize from it.
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Post by humphreyclarke on Feb 25, 2011 23:35:03 GMT
So again my sincere apologies for wiping out all my political opponents in the name of atheism and will endeavour to lay off the 'Old speckled hen' beverage in future. That is an awesome beverage for which you receive karma (even though it is owned by Greene King which is shyte). |
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Post by davedodo007 on Feb 25, 2011 23:43:15 GMT
So again my sincere apologies for wiping out all my political opponents in the name of atheism and will endeavour to lay off the 'Old speckled hen' beverage in future. That is an awesome beverage for which you receive karma (even though it is owned by Greene King which is shyte). You certainly know our beers humphrey, how are you coping in the USA? When I was there I had to drink Canadian beer which was just less awful. |
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Post by humphreyclarke on Feb 25, 2011 23:55:24 GMT
That is an awesome beverage for which you receive karma (even though it is owned by Greene King which is shyte). You certainly know our beers humphrey, how are you coping in the USA? When I was there I had to drink Canadian beer which was just less awful. Budweiser, Coors and Miller are the unholy Trinity which are completely undrinkable. However the U.S microbrew scene is very good indeed. No less an authority as the late Michael 'the beer hunter' Jackson said American beer is excellent - you just have to drink the real stuff. Come to think of it, even if it wasn't you can still get Old Speckled Hen in liquor stores here - as well as all the Wychwood Brewery stuff. |
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Post by davedodo007 on Feb 26, 2011 0:17:42 GMT
You certainly know our beers humphrey, how are you coping in the USA? When I was there I had to drink Canadian beer which was just less awful. Budweiser, Coors and Miller are the unholy Trinity which are completely undrinkable. However the U.S microbrew scene is very good indeed. No less an authority as the late Michael 'the beer hunter' Jackson said American beer is excellent - you just have to drink the real stuff. Come to think of it, even if it wasn't you can still get Old Speckled Hen in liquor stores here - as well as all the Wychwood Brewery stuff. Things have certainly changed since my days in the USA, Tacoma, 'The White Spot' was my local but this was in 1990. |
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Post by timoneill on Feb 26, 2011 20:27:29 GMT
Well to paraphrase Ms Keeler 'they would say that wouldn't they,' it's just Catholic propaganda. How about an outright apology for their monstrous behaviour. He was only imprisoned, tortured and murdered in the most horrible way imaginable because he was a heretic (so that's OK then.) The fact that god was considered all encompassing hence Catholic means that any thoughts, writing and actions can be shown to be heretical and science (natural philosophy) was thought to be just a subset of the religion. No dissent was tolerated this is the very antithesis of science. Trust me the religious door never opens from the inside. The rise of scientific influence means it had to adapt to modernity while trying to keep its power, wealth and influence. Though the trouble with that is that when it had and in many places still does, its behaviour is abhorrent, Catholicism shows and has shown that where it holds political power, people suffer ( I hope I'm not asked to prove this as I will assume you have been living in a cave your whole life, Also this thread will become very unpleasant reading.) I don't see Jesus anywhere in the Catholic church. Just for your information I have never been a protestant nor am I a protestant atheist. I just recognize bad and corrupting behaviour when I see it. What has that hermetic kooky crackpot Bruno got to do with "science"? |
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Post by James Hannam on Feb 26, 2011 20:35:42 GMT
Tim,
Since davedodo007 will not longer be posting (as soon as I can get the message to him), please so not address a post to him as he will not be able to reply.
Thanks
James
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